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Henri Bergius
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This entry was posted on 2010-02-10 20:16:11 UTC in 60° 9.798 N 24° 55.674 E Helsinki, FI to

Buzz may end segregation in microblogging

Yet another interesting launch this winter: Google finally published their lifestreaming application, Buzz. These are still clearly early steps for the service as it doesn't provide any APIs yet, and the user interface feels slow in a quite un-Google-like way.

However, it still shows strong potential in several ways. First of all, it may help the people raised on Twitter to discover a more conversational culture. And secondly, it connects to any website providing some necessary feeds, promising an end to segregation where you had to follow some of your friends on Twitter, some in Qaiku and some in Facebook. If all those sites start providing proper feeds you can just follow everybody in the interface of your choosing.

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What is even more promising is that instead of being built on direct API linkage between designated partner sites, all of this is based on quite simple building blocks of the upcoming semantic web: social graph discovery, Atom activity feeds, and possibly the Salmon comments aggregation protocol. Your website, marked up in a semantic way is your "API". This means any site can join the play, not just the big players.

But to be fully usable Buzz needs to provide a few things:
  • Language filtering. I had to unfollow some Portuguese-speaking friends already
  • Discovery of interesting discussions. Now I only see things my friends post, not the things they comment
  • Groups or channels people can post to
  • and yes, Salmon so comments to my posts on Buzz will trickle down to Qaiku or my blog
As things stand for now, Qaiku will remain the conversation platform of my choice. It provides more flexible privacy, including our company's internal conversation channels, and does better job of geolocation and multilingual microblogging. You'll also find my Qaikus syndicated to Twitter.

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Comments:

Edvard Immonen on 02/10/10 23:44:13

A good post. Discussion vs. single-liners. I follow twitter but its just too noisy. People just tweet but the content and discussions - the real value - is somewhere else (mostly).

Alexey Zakhlestin on 02/11/10 08:10:20

@bergie I wonder why you didn't mention friendfeed. Because buzz is closer to friendfeed than to anything else

Helge V. Keitel on 02/11/10 08:27:43

I never became a close friend with FF even though it's a good collector but buzz is so close to my gmail that it will certainly become a daily friend. This leads to a consolidation of SoMe. But there will be a need for local and focused meeting rooms.

Tommi Komulainen on 02/11/10 11:14:30

Must've missed something but seems to me that instead of following some people in Twitter, some in Qaiku, and some in Facebook you get to follow some people in Twitter, some in Qaiku, some in Facebook and some in Gmail.

Granted there's potential for people to gravitate towards Gmail but same could be argued about all the others as well.

Henri Bergius on 02/11/10 11:21:26

The APIs Google is building to Buzz enable it to work as "a hub" for different social networking environments. The whole thing seems to be based on common standards like social graph discovery (rel=me etc), Atom+Activity Streams and so forth.

We'll see if that happens, but at least I'm very interested in ensuring Qaiku and Buzz interoperate well.

Daniel Schildt on 02/11/10 11:40:54

Two way commenting is still missing from Buzz as comments made on items are not broadcasted back to original service(s). It will probably be implemented after a while.

Henri Bergius on 02/11/10 11:43:13

I'm just hacking up a quick experiment for pulling comments from Buzz back into my blog. We'll see how well that works. One issue is that the Buzz feed for items doesn't show where an item is coming from (this entry for instance only refers to Buzz, not to my blog), so only way to link them up is via titles.

Daniel Schildt on 02/11/10 11:49:51

Yes, that's problem at the current implementation of Buzz. Hopefully Google will make some sort of changes to make it more clear for people so that it wouldn't be so confusing for some people to notice where the content is coming from. Even then, content and conversations are going to cloud: instead of one location they will be distributed.

Marco Castellani on 02/11/10 12:15:35

Very good post.Just one thing; I tried yesterday Buzz from the iPod, and I remain deeply impressed about the geolocalization thing (one think that you do not experience from web). From mobile, I can see Buzzes (is it so?) from people in a very narrow range of space around me.. it was really a new experience.

For me, Buzz is following the old idea that was started with Jaiku on mobile, times ago...

Daniel Schildt on 02/11/10 12:20:22

Strangely, traditional email conversations (in Gmail's sense) changed to stream of semi-realtime conversations in form of Buzz. Google is finally learning how to do things right while there is still bugs and problems in the system.

Henri Bergius on 02/11/10 13:56:28

All right, my blog is now automatically fetching Buzz about each blog post and showing it on site: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/buzz_may_end_segregation_in_microblogging/

Code is here: http://trac.midgard-project.org/changeset/25068

...and, it also fetches comments from Qaiku and shows them both happily in same feed.

Jarmo Lahti on 02/11/10 15:35:05

@bergie this is actually not a comment, but kind of test. Sorry:-)

Henri Bergius on 02/11/10 15:37:20

@jal no problem :-) At the moment the comments will be added to my blog hourly but I'm looking to make it faster at some point

Daniel Schildt on 02/11/10 16:16:42

Works nicely. :)

Heikki Hyppänen on 02/11/10 21:07:34

This is cool stuff. It would be nice to have some kind of indication that the content will be displayed on some other site, though.

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